comments [re: flushing the toilet]

Looks to me that the election is already decided.
The administrations house of cards has fallen: no WMD, no Al Qaeda connection, job losses, etc.

But it appears Americans dont want to know facts. Americans have already decided to love or hate Bush. No facts will get in the way. Enough decided that they better love Bush or god would damn them, that they already have it locked.

Bush would have to have a scandal to make a difference.

Thoughts?

I agree that an unbelievable number of Americans drank the Bush Admin's Kool-Aid after 9/11 and became war-drum-thumping pod-people, but I'm not sure I follow your conclusion...

The latest "polls" show Kerry with a slight lead, and the momentum. More importantly, Bush's favorability is at 47% and declining. Has an incumbent Prez ever won with that being the case? And the conventional wisdom is that on election day undecideds overwhelming break for the challenger, as it's more of a referendum on the incumbent than a regular election. I'm amazed (well, not really) that the media is playing this like it's neck-and-neck, when they know better.

It's definitely gonna be a nail-biter, but I'm fairly optimistic, provided the GOP keeps the election day dirty tricks to a minimum, and Karl Rove doesn't pull Osama out of a Jack O' Lantern on Halloween!

What you need to do is turn off the talking head shows like Chris Matthews that are heavily weighted conservative (in which Bush won a "clear victory" over Kerry in the second debate, despite every subsequent poll and all common sense that says otherwise)... that shit is poisoning our minds and making us want to quit. This election is ours to lose, so stay focused and just do EVERYTHING you can. I'm bringing my ass to NC (Charlotte) for election day weekend to work for the DNC and get people to the polls... I've got the number for the DNC rep in Raleigh if your interested...

Look at the Electoral College instead of the popular vote. Thats what makes me short on hope.

Really what happened is that I heard people discussing the debate (VP) at work. They were praising Cheney. I went to FactCheck.org just like Cheney said. Printed out their information which disproved many things both sides said. Put it in the break room. ONLY ONE PERSON LOOKED AT IT. That tells me people are just disinterested in the facts.

BTW - North Carolina is long since decided. NC Election is about Erskine Bowles not the presidency.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html

http://www.rasmussenreports.com

I dont understand how most people can think that the nation is moving in the wrong direction and still have the incumbent leading:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/direction_of_country.html

A few things to keep in perspective I think:

First of all, the "wrong direction but still supporting" contradiction makes a bit more sense when you consider that most of these people are sorting out what they see and know intellectually and what their primal fear is telling them. Bush has masterfully convinced a lot of people that he is the only one that can protect them from the Boogie Man, even if by all measures he's driving the country into the ground. Letting go of primal fear and letting reason seep through is a slow process.

A lot of people, though, like your water cooler crew (hey, and my water cooler crew, too!) are just numbskulls. Intelligent people, maybe, but with an inability or unwillingness to think critically. They are the reason that the demonic fucks in the PR and Marketing industries are so effective. But the news media really deserves a big chunk of the blame. Any biases aside, they have conditioned the public with their pseudo-objectivity by consistently reporting both sides of an issue as though they are equally valid, as though introducing facts that are unkind to one side is somehow biased. They end up just reporting what one side said, followed by what the other side said, and leaving it at that without providing any context or facts that might help a viewer sort out who's full of shit. So I think when people see an actual fact these days that doesn't conform to their party line they assume it must be a lie, because they never heard the fact mentioned by the crack investigative teams on the news. Combine this media neutering with the Right Wing Noise Machine that dominates the talking head shows, and we have a huge problem. Yea, it's all pretty depressing, but all we can really do at this point is crank up the Left Wing Noise Machine that has been sorely lacking and push back. The bonus is that I actually do believe the truth is on our side, and sunlight is the best disinfectant. With the help of reality, which is caving in around Bush, I think it's just a matter of time until what people see in front of them trumps what they're being told and "conventional wisdom" starts to break in our favor.

As far as the polls... The Electoral College map has been fluctuating about as wildly as the rest of the polls, and has even been in Kerry's favor several times recently, depending on the poll and the planetary alignment in question. It's amazing how different sites who are supposedly all averaging the mainstream poll data all come up with such drastically different map predictions, so I don't know what the hell to make of them. But the polls themselves deserve scrutiny, too. You should definitely read Ruy Teixeira, who is a polling expert. He drops bombs on Gallup on a regular basis, and really helps to keep these polls in perspective. Be wary of polls who's polling samples are heavily weighted with Republican party ID when no such advantage is justified (like Gallup), and be wary of polls of Likely Voters, which only count people who voted in previous elections, excluding most young people and many disenfranchised minorities who are far more likely to show up to the polls this time around.

Seriously though, Colin, I know your depressed as hell about the state of things, and I am, too, but NC most definitely is NOT Oklahoma, and even making it close will siphon resources from other places the RNC really needs it. It's a fight worth fighting.

Oh, and then there is the cell phone issue. Don't know how much it might skew the overall outlook, but it's interesting.

Dont lose hope for me. I havent given up.

GWB still has to successfully baffle the American public one more time tonight.
Ohio needs to tip blue. If they can recognize that the Bush administration has totally allowed
for the sacrifice of the rust belt culture, then it seems clear they should go blue.

See the steel tariff debacle,
the decimation of the manufacturing sector,
the lack of urban reinvestment and development,
the antipathy towards unionization,
the hypocrisy of the Republicans importing Alan Keyes next door,
the relaxation of clean air regulations,
the death of pension plans and single employer job security,
the refusal to allow imported prescriptions from the north,
the massive rise in cost of petroleum,
etc. etc. etc.

What amazes me is that the administration is pushing towards more multinationalism in corporate business while pursuing isolationism in government. How this is consistent is beyond me. What are we going to do when the first foreign government decides to nationalize resources one of our companies owns? Do we attack that country? Do we go to the WTO or other international bodies for help? Why would they help us. Nigeria? Venezuela?

What gives me hope in the face of the perceived shortage in electoral votes is exactly what you describe. It appears the polling is missing the fact that millions of new voters are registering and all counts seem to indicate that Democrats are the ones mobilizing.

I am confident GWB believes in God, but people need to recognize he isn't a representative of God. Voting for or against him is not a religious statement, its a political decision.

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Mat 15:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."

Eccl 9:16-18 "So I said, "Wisdom is better than strength." But the wisdom of the poor man is despised and his words are not heeded. The words of the wise heard in quietness are better than the shouting of a ruler among fools. Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good. "

I don't know if your a fan of Al Franken or not (I love the guy), but one chapter in his latest book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, is a comic book called Supply-side Jesus. Really drives the "un-Christian-ness of many Republican policies" point home.

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